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Carol C Reiman's avatar

Same old same old, as in going on for years, centuries, that old (or not so old) dude network. So common, commonly accepted, entrenched, perpetuated that some of us don't realize how entrenched it is until we talk with others. Your points help me see how important it is to have the "safe" spaces where non-dudes can discuss, engage, as well as the importance of having non-dudes elsewhere, in management et al. I used to wonder about such spaces, for any marginalized group, until I realized how entrenched outlooks are. My realization came partly by way of a UU learning context, just within the past five years, around the pervasive effects of enslavement in the U.S., including the various reactions of other white UUs in my generation. My education in the 50s and 60s, in an excellent school, omitted so much. Keep talking! We need this education, exposure, awareness as much as ever, in affinity groups, safe places, and mixed communities.

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Madelyn Campbell's avatar

This is so very true. From time to time parishioners have told me that my sermons aren't intellectual enough. But if I throw in a quotation from a man, suddenly these same people thing my sermon was great. I've said the same thing, tho only difference being that I've told you a man said it also.

In seminary we had a project to construct a timeline for a church history class. We had to choose five people (and some other things). So for the five people I chose three or four women and a man or two. When it came time to share in class, a man sitting in front of me, after seeing the folks I had included, said, "oh! I don't have any women." I know friend. That's why I intentionally included them.

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